homeopathic preps for bees
Posted: 18 Apr 2008, 12:11
It seems to me that there is great potential for the use of homeopathic remedies for honeybees.
Does anyone have any experience of this?
Does anyone have any experience of this?
Good, but do they work? Can he demonstrate actual, real world results in the form of healthy bees that are not reliant on synthetic treatments or doses of oxalic acid? I would love to believe that homeopathic remedies would enable bees to return to a healthy, natural state, but when I read stuff like, "Earth is in its 4th incarnation. Old Saturn, old Sun. Old Moon and now the Earth" I do start to wonder whether he is on the same planet (if you will pardon the pun).Mark wrote:Yes there is some good experience with bees. We were fortunate enough to have a lecture from Enzo Nastati on his work in Edinburgh in 2007. You can get to it here.
Good question. I have only just started using Enzo's preparations with bees so I cannot share personal experiences that they work. However, Enzo is very clear that they do and has been working with bees since 1984. If you go to his web site you can contact him directly. Please report back what they say.beesontoast wrote:Good, but do they work?
This is a good example of one difficulty with this research. We have no model of the action of homeopathic preparations which is at home in the modern scientific paradigm. 'There's nothing there to do anything so how the hell can it work?' This means we have to find the context and language for a more comprehensive model which encompasses the truths of the current orthodoxy and leaves room for such heretical activities - whilst remaining coherent and accurate. In my opinion, the best language we have is that forged within Anthroposophy. This acts as a deterrent to those who associate astrology with the feeble-minded. It comes parceled up with such gems as the previous incarnations of the planet to frighten off most of the rest. (The notes were those of a lecture Mr Nastati gave to those familiar with the concepts and language of previous incarnations of the Earth.) This is a mixed blessing; it's a pain because many excellent researchers don't get beyond the first meeting with this assuming (not unreasonably) that there can only be mental quicksands. It is good because at least we seem so far beyond the pale that we are not bothered too much.beesontoast wrote:I would love to believe that homeopathic remedies would enable bees to return to a healthy, natural state, but when I read stuff like, "Earth is in its 4th incarnation. Old Saturn, old Sun. Old Moon and now the Earth" I do start to wonder whether he is on the same planet (if you will pardon the pun).
I think he talks about this early on in his lecture. (And those notes are mine so there may be some inaccuracies. He lectures in Italian and things come thick and fast.) It is his contention that the divergence from these figures over time is a response which has accompanied their increased vulnerability to disease. If one can assist them towards their ideal then their health will be encouraged.beesontoast wrote:I can't take seriously Nastati if he manipulates numbers to suit his theories:
Q – 15 days – 360 hours – 7 zodiac signs and 10 hours
W – 21 days – 504 hours – 10 zodiac signs and 4 hours
D – 25 days – 600 hours – All 12 zodiac signs
The actual numbers are 16, 21 and 24, or possibly 15, 20 and 23 on small cells.
I hope I have sown at least a seed of doubt. I am willing to water that seed if you would like to continue this discussion.beesontoast wrote:The rest of his lecture is mysticism and astrology, not beekeeping, IMO.
Most practical would be to try these things and see if we can overcome CCD and varroa and foul brood etc. I think that these results would be the meeting point of the paradigms.beesontoast wrote:I am sure that I am showing my ignorance here more than my knowledge, but if anyone can point me towards something more practical, I would be grateful.
See http://www.britishbeekeeping.com/Linda wrote:I have been following your discussion about bees. If something develops that can save the commercial bees, I am frequently asked if I am working on that problem! It would be nice to have some suggestions for the bee keepers!